On Purpose with Jay Shetty

This podcast explores the physiological and psychological impact of 'hasslers'—individuals in our social networks who cause chronic stress and can accelerate biological aging. The episode identifies key signs of draining relationships, such as the need for mental preparation before interactions, managing another person's emotions, and the tendency to shrink oneself to avoid conflict. Beyond identifying these patterns, the discussion focuses on practical strategies for maintaining well-being. This includes implementing recovery rituals, setting boundaries that regulate one's own response rather than attempting to control others, and prioritizing relationships that foster sustainable compassion.

Host Jay interviews dating coach Sabrina Zohar about her new book, 'Why Am I Like This?', exploring how early childhood experiences and attachment styles shape adult relationship patterns. The conversation delves into the science of the nervous system, the distinction between healthy boundaries and defensive walls, and the psychological nuances of self-abandonment. The episode further examines the importance of authenticity, the impact of Gottman's research on relationship sustainability, and the necessity of moving past the 'chess game' of dating. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes finding alignment in values, practicing emotional regulation, and choosing presence over the pursuit of unfulfilling connections.

Host Jay Shetty interviews beauty influencer Michaela Naguera, tracing her journey from a creative childhood and early YouTube days to global social media stardom. She discusses how her entrepreneurial roots and a viral TikTok breakthrough during the pandemic helped her navigate periods of intense uncertainty and professional growth. Michaela also opens up about the personal challenges that accompanied her rapid rise to fame, including navigating the emotional toll of her marriage and her ex-husband's struggle with addiction. She reflects on finding strength through divorce, the importance of authenticity in preventing creator burnout, and her transition from an Ulta employee to a skincare brand founder.

The host introduces the concept of using mantras to reshape a negative inner voice and provides specific tools for overcoming hopelessness and building confidence. Through stories about growth and resistance, the episode emphasizes that current hardships are merely chapters in a larger story. The podcast further explores themes of trust, opportunity, and presence. Using examples like the invention of the Post-it Note, the speaker illustrates how to recognize existing opportunities and practice grounding oneself in the present moment.

In this episode, Jay addresses listener messages regarding navigating major life transitions and health crises. The discussion covers managing trauma during postpartum preeclampsia and finding alignment between work and life following a sudden brain tumor diagnosis, emphasizing presence over perfect balance. The host also explores the heavy emotional toll of caregiving for those with dementia and discusses how to use personal trauma and rebuilding from loss as a way to serve others through authentic storytelling.

Sylvester Stallone reflects on a life shaped by early trauma, the lasting impact of childhood words, and the importance of embracing one's weaknesses to find true strength. He shares his journey from an overlooked actor to the creator of 'Rocky,' emphasizing the necessity of staying true to oneself and resisting the temptation to sell out. The conversation explores the complexities of human nature, including the evolution of identity, the profound value of true friendship, and the lessons learned through marriage and aging. Stallone concludes by discussing his spiritual connection to God and offering final advice on facing life with determination and personal responsibility.

The host explores the overwhelming nature of modern wellness and introduces 'complexity bias,' the tendency to seek complicated solutions over simple ones. The episode highlights fundamental habits for well-being, specifically focusing on the biological and psychological benefits of movement and the importance of protecting one's attention from fragmentation. Beyond physical activity, the discussion emphasizes that true presence is more valuable than mere time management. The speaker concludes by advocating for a return to fundamentals, such as prioritizing high-quality relationships and consistent movement, rather than accumulating more complex health strategies.

Host Jay explores the distinction between survival-based patterns and authentic purpose, using a listener's career transition to examine how to identify genuine inner guidance versus external validation. The episode addresses the practical challenges of balancing financial stability with creative passion. The discussion further covers integrating passions with professional life and navigating seasonal shifts in priorities to avoid burnout. It also features reflections on managing overwhelming responsibilities and creating a home sanctuary for restoration.

In this episode, Lucy Hill explores the tools of self-realization, discussing how astrology, spirituality, and shadow work aid in navigating life's unpredictable timelines. The conversation delves into the importance of facing oneself with brutal honesty to overcome the dangers of social media comparison and the pressures of fame. The discussion further covers personal journeys through addiction and sobriety, emphasizing the power of self-forgiveness and reclaiming one's true identity. The episode concludes with reflections on evolving perspectives on motherhood, healthy partnerships, and the importance of listening to intuition.

This episode explores the evolutionary origins of anxiety, explaining how the brain's primary function is survival rather than happiness. It discusses how modern psychological threats trigger ancient survival mechanisms like negativity bias and the availability heuristic, leading to catastrophic thinking. The discussion then moves into practical cognitive shifts to manage anxiety by moving from emotional reactivity to evidence-based reasoning and presence. The speaker introduces techniques such as acting as one's own defense attorney, distinguishing between assumptions and facts, and building self-efficacy through the realization of past resilience.

In this episode, Jay Shetty interviews Oprah Winfrey, tracing her journey from a childhood in Mississippi and Milwaukee to becoming a global icon. Oprah reflects on how early experiences with family influence, spiritual evolution, and overcoming the profound trauma of sexual abuse and teenage pregnancy shaped her sense of purpose and resilience. The conversation explores themes of intuition, the power of truth-telling, and the importance of living in service to others. Oprah shares insights into her career philosophy of elevating stories, the significance of finding one's true calling, and the lasting impact of legacy through the lives we touch.

Producer Benny Blanco discusses his new book about failure, emphasizing that embracing mistakes and maintaining 'tunnel vision' are essential for long-term success. He shares personal stories regarding navigating early career struggles, the importance of building momentum through action, and finding a balanced life between career, family, and health. The conversation also explores the value of authenticity over imitation, using examples from Ed Sheeran and Bruno Mars to illustrate how developing a unique identity leads to true progress. Finally, Benny reflects on setting boundaries, overcoming mental health struggles like anxiety and agoraphobia, and redefining masculinity through vulnerability.

The speaker explores how modern society's constant feedback loops have created a validation problem rather than a confidence problem, noting the psychological tension between seeking belonging and seeking approval. He discusses how our brains often mistake external consensus for personal truth. The episode further examines the distinction between seeking external validation and developing internal self-trust. The speaker provides strategies to move away from being an audience for one's own life by auditing personal desires and building self-efficacy through consistent, small actions.

The speaker explores the psychological pain of comparing one's current reality to an imagined, idealized version of the future. He discusses how 'should statements', social media comparisons, and the pressure of a 'social clock' create a sense of being behind, emphasizing that letting go of these outdated blueprints is a form of grief. By reframing life changes as opportunities to rewrite personal blueprints, we can move from grieving lost plans to appreciating new possibilities. The episode encourages listeners to decouple happiness from societal timelines and adopt a more adaptive, non-judgmental approach to life's unexpected turns.

Dr. Andrew Huberman discusses his book 'Protocols,' offering science-backed frameworks for improving health, energy, and focus through manageable daily habits. The conversation explores the physiological importance of regulating cortisol and circadian rhythms via morning sunlight, movement, and strategic caffeine intake to prevent afternoon crashes and improve sleep quality. The episode further delves into the neuroscience of habit formation, neuroplasticity, and the biological drivers of human behavior. The speakers explore how intentional self-awareness, meditation, and even spiritual practices can help navigate the brain's evolutionary biases, ultimately discussing how humans can use the cortex to direct energy toward service and meaningful connection.

Jay reflects on his past year, sharing key lessons for personal and professional growth. He emphasizes the importance of following skills and work you are willing to do rather than chasing trends, while advocating for choosing real experience over excessive overthinking through methods like 30-day experiments. The episode also explores the nuances of decision-making, managing energy trade-offs, and the value of authentic friendships that allow for vulnerability. Finally, Jay reflects on the 'end of history illusion,' noting how we often underestimate our capacity for future transformation.

The host provides practical advice to listeners navigating career and life transitions, offering strategies for securing internships through direct networking rather than mass applications, and guidance on managing real estate decisions following job loss. The episode also explores the distinction between healthy openness and self-abandonment, emphasizing the importance of setting boundaries and shifting from an outcome-oriented mindset to a growth-oriented one to overcome repeated disappointment.

Eileen Gu reflects on the intersection of her identities as an athlete and an intellectual, discussing how childhood habits like journaling and the influence of her family shaped her values. She explores the complexities of navigating success in one's twenties, the importance of lifelong learning, and the psychological discipline required for high-level competition. The conversation also delves into the technicalities of free skiing and the emotional weight of the Milan Olympics, where she shares the profound experience of balancing an Olympic victory with the personal tragedy of losing her grandmother. The episode concludes with reflections on managing emotions and fostering curiosity through agency.

The host explores the psychological dimension of financial literacy, arguing that our relationship with money is shaped by unconscious 'money scripts' formed in childhood. The episode discusses how to identify these inherited beliefs and highlights the importance of understanding the emotional drivers behind spending and saving. The speaker further explores the psychological relationship with money, arguing that while money cannot buy happiness or peace, it provides essential options and freedom. The segment emphasizes moving away from relying on motivation toward building automated financial systems and using money as a tool to support one's values rather than an end goal.

In this episode, Jay addresses listeners grappling with deep-seated guilt, uncertainty, and the complexities of custody and self-forgiveness. The discussion explores how parental effectiveness is defined by emotional connection rather than legal status, while offering guidance on navigating past conflicts and reconnecting with others. The host also delves into themes of betrayal, grief, and rebuilding trust. Through stories of infidelity and friendship betrayal, the episode examines the stages of trust and the concept of finding emotional justice through personal growth and maintaining a sense of self-identity independent of past relationships.

In this episode, Jay interviews Alison Wood Brooks about the science of conversation and practical strategies to reduce social anxiety. They explore how shifting focus from self-consciousness to genuine curiosity can transform interactions, using techniques like 'topic preparation' and active listening to build trust and psychological safety. The discussion covers a wide range of social dynamics, from mastering small talk and navigating first dates to managing heated arguments. The speakers emphasize the importance of presence, the power of follow-up questions, and the value of intentional environmental design to foster deeper, more meaningful connections in both everyday life and high-stakes situations.

The speaker discusses how excessive self-focus and rumination can lead to unhappiness, even when one is actively working on personal growth. He explores the idea that shifting attention outward toward others and engaging in community can interrupt negative thought patterns and provide true fulfillment. The episode further examines the importance of moving from self-centeredness to usefulness by finding purpose in contribution. By applying Maslow's concept of self-transcendence, the segment suggests that true fulfillment comes from using one's best self to serve something beyond oneself.

Host Jay responds to listener stories regarding breadcrumbing, emotional abuse, and the complexities of trauma bonds. The episode explores themes of reciprocation, the psychological impact of gaslighting, and the importance of reclaiming one's identity after self-abandonment. The discussion also addresses navigating the aftermath of abusive relationships and the struggle with avoidant partners. Jay concludes by reflecting on finding happiness in life's journey and provides advice on evaluating reconciliation through the lens of personal boundaries and emotional safety.

In this episode, Paris Jackson discusses her new album and the personal themes of self-deprecating humor, childhood memories, and navigating deep emotions. She reflects on a history of chronic loneliness and substance use as a coping mechanism, detailing the progression from initial use to severe addiction and the trauma experienced during treatment. The conversation explores the complexities of rebuilding trust, achieving emotional sobriety, and finding spiritual peace through surrender. Jackson also shares her journey toward holistic health via nutrition and lifestyle changes, concluding with reflections on alchemizing suffering into medicine and her thoughts on global regulations.

The speaker explores why making friends as an adult feels more difficult than in childhood, noting that the structural systems like school and sports that once facilitated connection have disappeared. He introduces several shifts in mindset to overcome loneliness, specifically addressing how fear of judgment and the loss of social infrastructure contribute to isolation. The episode further discusses moving away from seeking instant chemistry in friendships and instead focusing on repetition, consistency, and shared time. The speaker provides actionable advice on transitioning from a stranger to a community member by becoming a 'regular' and taking the initiative to host or organize small, recurring social opportunities.

Jim Curtis explores manifestation as an 'inside job' rooted in the law of assumption and the replacement of childhood-learned limiting beliefs. The episode delves into practical methods for identity reconstruction, including 'timeline therapy,' the 'four A's' (accept, appreciate, affirm, and action), and using hypnosis to access the theta brainwave state to bypass subconscious resistance. The discussion further covers overcoming core childhood wounds—such as abandonment and neglect—and the importance of inner child work. The speakers emphasize moving beyond the need for external validation, embracing vulnerability, and rebuilding one's identity through self-compassion and conscious awareness.

Travis Barker reflects on his journey from a disciplined childhood shaped by musical passion and early loss to becoming the drummer for Blink-182. He discusses the challenges of fame, the mental toll of touring, and the pivotal role of his musical collaborations. The episode delves into the harrowing details of his 2008 plane crash, the physical and emotional agony of recovery, and the profound impact of losing close friends. Ultimately, Barker shares how this tragedy served as a catalyst for sobriety, resilience, and a new perspective on life and fatherhood.

The host discusses how finding love is more about increasing the probability of meeting people through proximity and opportunity rather than relying on instant chemistry. He explores psychological concepts like the mere exposure effect and the strength of weak ties to suggest building a richer social life as a way to encounter potential partners. The speaker also discusses how to approach dating by shifting from rigid preferences and high-pressure first dates toward a mindset of curiosity and openness. They emphasize the importance of separating 'data' from 'damage' when facing rejection and viewing every interaction as an opportunity for growth rather than a verdict on one's worth.

The speaker addresses the difficulty of quietening a racing mind at night, explaining how the brain often confuses thoughts with threats. Through an allegory of striking a stone to reveal gemstones, the episode emphasizes that progress and healing often occur beneath the surface even when they are not visible. Listeners are encouraged to release the anxiety of trying to predict or solve the future, noting that life's most beautiful moments often arrive unplanned. By focusing on being present and trusting the natural rhythm of the world, one can find peace in the unknown.

In this episode, Jay interviews Dr. Joe Dispenza about the neuroscience of change and the biological processes behind personal transformation. The discussion explores how individuals can overcome the body's conditioning to the past by changing thoughts, beliefs, and emotions through practices like meditation and breathwork. Dr. Dispenza delves into the impact of digital stimulation on dopamine, the mechanics of heart coherence, and scientific evidence regarding biological regeneration and immune enhancement. The conversation concludes with insights into how human intention and collective energy can influence physical reality.

The speaker discusses how happiness is not a matter of luck, but rather the ability to reframe hardships and maintain agency over one's life. He explores the concepts of internal locus of control, avoiding the trap of hedonic adaptation, and finding joy in ordinary moments through gratitude. Additionally, the episode covers how to avoid postponing happiness by finding joy in the present moment despite ongoing challenges. The speaker emphasizes the importance of actively designing a life through intentional scheduling, nurturing relationships, and building anticipation for future joys.

In this episode, Simone Ashley reflects on her journey from the professional uncertainty of the 2021 lockdown to the sudden success of Bridgerton, discussing how identity, heritage, and a supportive community have shaped her. The conversation explores themes of finding simplicity in relationships, the distinction between solitude and loneliness, and the importance of applying professional confidence to personal vulnerability. The discussion also delves into the creative process behind her debut EP, 'Songs I Wrote in New York,' and how moving to New York helped her find an authentic songwriting voice. Finally, the speakers navigate topics of societal timelines, the pressure of reaching milestones, and the power of trusting one's personal journey through rejection and life's transitions.

In this episode, the host interviews Camila Mendes about her journey through fame, burnout, and personal transformation. The conversation explores her transition from a high-pressure, reactive lifestyle to one of presence and intentionality, touching on her experiences with eating disorders, the impact of childhood instability, and finding spirituality through the Hoffman Institute. Camila also reflects on her path toward self-acceptance, embracing her Brazilian heritage, and navigating the complexities of public life versus private intimacy. The episode concludes with a look at how healing and new relationships serve as mirrors for growth, followed by a rapid-fire 'Final Five' segment.

This podcast explores the nature of conflict in healthy relationships, arguing that disagreements are inevitable and even necessary for growth. The discussion emphasizes that the goal is not to avoid fighting, but to learn how to navigate conflict without destroying emotional safety or resorting to destructive patterns like contempt. The episode further examines the dynamics of healthy conflict resolution, emphasizing that the ability to repair after a disagreement is more vital than avoiding conflict altogether. It discusses the dangers of defensiveness while advocating for vulnerability, validation, and the importance of communicating needs clearly to prevent resentment.

Kiki Palmer discusses her journey toward embracing vulnerability and authenticity, reflecting on how motherhood has fostered a deeper sense of presence and self-awareness. She shares her experiences navigating depression, anxiety, and an identity crisis following the end of her television career, detailing how mindfulness, journaling, and mental discipline helped her build a foundation for success beyond entertainment. The conversation further explores the challenges of growing up in the spotlight, including the isolation of being a minority in certain spaces and the development of survival mechanisms like code-switching. The speakers delve into the importance of setting boundaries, practicing self-compassion, and choosing authenticity over external expectations in both personal relationships and professional endeavors.

NBA champion Karl-Anthony Towns reflects on the emotional journey of his career, from the importance of trusting a unique childhood training vision to the profound experience of winning a championship. He shares deeply personal lessons learned from his mother regarding forgiveness, presence, and the necessity of letting go, as well as the spiritual weight of navigating loss during the pandemic. The conversation also explores themes of leadership, mentorship, and identity beyond basketball. Towns discusses finding strength in unconventional mentors, the impact of being traded to the Knicks, and the importance of maintaining authenticity and character when no one is watching.

The speaker explores how fear often masquerades as practicality, leading to a cycle of avoidance that shrinks one's world. He argues that courage is not an innate trait but a trainable skill developed through 'courage reps'—small, repeated actions designed to build confidence through evidence. Personal growth is achieved by focusing on specific behaviors in areas like relationships and career rather than massive life overhauls. By prioritizing tracking effort over outcomes and choosing long-term expansion over short-term emotional relief, individuals can overcome the fear of judgment and move beyond the illusion of readiness.

Jake Shane opens up about his transition from Broadway to a period of introspection, discussing how he uses journaling as a sanctuary for his thoughts amidst increasing public scrutiny. The conversation explores the emotional challenges of fame, including the vulnerability of facing online criticism regarding physical appearance and character. The episode further delves into the psychological impact of widespread dislike and the difficulty of maintaining a public persona during 'crash outs.' The discussion concludes with reflections on personal dating boundaries, social faux pas, and a lighthearted lightning round covering everything from fashion to travel preferences.

Millie Bobby Brown joins On Purpose to discuss her personal journey, from the formative years of her childhood and her deep bond with her mother to the profound emotional transformations brought about by motherhood and adoption. She reflects on how seeing the world through her child's eyes has added new vibrancy to her life. The conversation also explores navigating life in the public eye, addressing the challenges of anxiety, privacy, and intense media scrutiny. Millie shares her methods for finding peace through nature and meditation, her commitment to radical honesty in relationships, and her dedication to staying true to her values despite external pressures.

This podcast explores the psychological difficulties of letting go of past identities and situations to embrace new beginnings. The discussion covers how cognitive biases like loss aversion and the sunk cost fallacy keep us stuck in unfulfilling patterns, while offering a framework for evaluating whether a life change is a worthwhile risk. The episode further examines navigating uncertainty through psychological flexibility. It provides strategies for treating change as an experiment, focusing on values rather than guarantees, and integrating past experiences with gratitude rather than bitterness.

The episode begins with an announcement regarding the transition of the 'On Purpose' YouTube community to Netflix and Spotify, followed by a collection of powerful past conversations. The discussions explore themes of relationship maturity, the addictive nature of fame, and how near-death experiences and personal loss can lead to profound spiritual evolution and detachment from material possessions. The conversation further delves into managing emotions through presence, the reality of professional relationships in Hollywood, and the importance of resilience. The speakers also examine the psychological pillars of adult friendship, the journey toward sobriety, and the necessity of clear communication and strategic direction to turn desire into tangible progress.

Lucy Guo discusses the value of college as a networking hub and shares her journey from Snapchat to entrepreneurship, emphasizing that execution is more critical than ideas. The conversation explores strategies for navigating career transitions, avoiding the trap of 'golden handcuffs,' and optimizing for learning and impact rather than perfection. The episode also covers the future of work in an AI-driven era, highlighting the importance of human connection, EQ, and using AI to become a 10X employee. Guo concludes with reflections on parenting, personal growth, and the necessity of maintaining an optimistic mindset when facing professional rejection.

This episode explores the profound connection between metabolic health, nutrition, and mental illness, arguing that dietary factors are a significant but overlooked driver of the chronic disease epidemic. The discussion covers the risks associated with the U.S. food supply, including the lack of rigorous FDA testing for many additives, and examines how ultra-processed foods can impact brain function. The conversation also addresses the rising prevalence of bipolar disorder and the limitations of current psychiatric treatments, suggesting that lifestyle pillars like nutrition, sleep, and stress management—including interventions like the ketogenic diet—may play a vital role. The speaker concludes by emphasizing the importance of environmental factors and the potential for a future transformation in how we treat mental health.

Dr. Lucy Kalanithi reflects on navigating life and grief ten years after the death of her husband, neurosurgeon Paul Kalanithi. She explores how her perspective has shifted from viewing life as a climbable mountain to a series of moments, while discussing the importance of remembering loved ones without mythologizing them. The conversation delves into the complexities of facing terminal illness, moving beyond medical battle metaphors toward a more human approach to loss. The speakers also discuss the profound lessons learned from death, the role of palliative care in preserving dignity, and how aligning medical decisions with personal values can allow one to find meaning even amidst mortality.

Leila Taylor shares her profound journey of embracing her true identity, from coming out as bisexual to navigating the complexities of her upbringing in Mormonism. She reflects on how past hardships—including a toxic marriage, racial beauty standards, and the financial struggles of single motherhood—have shaped her purpose and driven her commitment to authenticity. The conversation explores the impact of societal conditioning and religious structures on intimacy and self-worth. Ultimately, Leila discusses her transition from survival mode to living fully, using her platform to advocate for representation and intentional parenting rooted in positive affirmation.

This episode explores the psychological difficulty of finding closure after a breakup and why seeking it from an ex-partner is often futile. The speaker emphasizes that true closure is an internal process of acceptance, self-regulation, and rebuilding one's life through practices like no contact and self-reflection. The discussion also covers strategies for moving forward by focusing on facts rather than romanticized memories. The speaker suggests using writing as a tool to release unsaid emotions and encourages listeners to accept contradictory feelings while finding new sources of joy and community.

John Mackey discusses the origins of Whole Foods, his personal journey through philosophy and psychedelics, and how spiritual awakenings can transform business leadership. The conversation explores the 'inner universe' through meditation and breathwork, examining how shifting from an ego-driven identity to a soul-centered one can alleviate fear and foster joy. The episode also delves into the complexities of navigating business, including the Whole Foods and Amazon merger and the challenges of maintaining compassion while leading. Mackey shares insights on building effective teams, the importance of hiring talent better than oneself, and his personal transition toward a purpose centered on love.

Dr. Jill Biden shares an intimate look into her life, from her early years and the intentionality behind building a family with Joe Biden's sons to the personal challenges faced during his political career. She reflects on the importance of financial independence, her experiences as an educator, and navigating profound grief following the loss of her son, Beau. The conversation also explores broader societal issues, including the impact of social media on politics, the necessity of advancements in women's health research, and the complexities of addressing addiction. Dr. Biden concludes with reflections on hope, the power of kindness, and the lessons learned through a life of service and resilience.

We often tell ourselves that we’ll start pursuing our goals when we have more time, more energy, or more motivation. But the truth is that lasting change is usually built in the small pockets of time we already have. In this episode, Jay explores how the hours after work can directly shape our lives, revealing why so many people feel stuck despite having big dreams for themselves. Through practical insights and personal stories, Jay shares how to break free from autopilot routines, overcome decision fatigue, and create evenings that leave you feeling fulfilled rather than depleted. He reminds us that success is rarely the result of one dramatic decision, but of consistent choices that align with the person we want to become. The life you imagine for yourself may be closer than you think, it starts with how you spend today. In this episode, you'll learn: How to Reclaim Your Evenings How to Break the After-Work Autopilot How to Batch Tasks and Save Time How to Build Energy Instead of Draining It How to Turn…

Emilie Kiser sits down with Jay for her first in depth conversation about the loss of her son, Trigg, and what life has looked like in the months after. Emilie speaks candidly about grief, guilt, marriage, motherhood, and the pressure of navigating tragedy while also living publicly online. Instead of trying to offer perfect answers, this episode focuses on the reality of surviving something life-altering one moment at a time. The conversation also shines a light on the importance of pool safety, prevention, and the measures that can help protect families from unimaginable loss. Emilie opens up about therapy, boundaries, support systems, and the reality that grief doesn’t disappear, it becomes something you learn to carry. It’s a deeply honest conversation about love, accountability, healing, and finding a way to keep living after life changes forever. In this episode you'll learn: How to Live Alongside Grief How to Support Someone After Loss How to Set Boundaries Online How to Grieve Together as a Couple…